5 of 5 Gary Taubes vs Dean Ornish – 7/26/2002
by on Sep.16, 2010, under Preventative Medicine
www.nytimes.com Men’s Health: Saturated Fat – What if Bad Fat is Actually Good for You? www.menshealth.com Charlie Rose – NUTRITION PANEL 57:23 – 3 years ago Dr. Mehmet Oz, Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center (GUEST HOST); Gary Taubes, Journalist; Dr. Dean Ornish, Founder and President, Preventative Medicine Research Institute; Dr. Barbara Howard, American Heart Association — Transcend says: tinyurl.com Typically solid at room or body temperature, saturated fats are sticky and can cause red blood cells to clump together, inhibiting their ability to carry oxygen to the cells. Saturated fats can also cause blood platelets to stick together and form blood clots that can cause a heart attack or stroke. Reducing consumption of saturated fat improves the health of most people. They provide support to your cell membranes and serve as precursors to a variety of hormones and hormonelike substances. A middle of the road approach to saturated fat consumption is to consume about 3 to 7 percent of your daily calories as saturated fat.
September 16th, 2010 on 6:25 am
lol the smallest portion at a fast food restaurant is ok. get the fuck outta here
September 16th, 2010 on 6:26 am
The american heart association is about 50 years behind
September 16th, 2010 on 6:51 am
@TheBeefsister lol
September 16th, 2010 on 6:57 am
I’m confused…..but I will read Gary’s book because the fact is …as he said…. that obesity is epidemic ……so what the AMA or surgeon general are telling us is not working…
September 16th, 2010 on 7:24 am
@yoyobran I really like Gary but to be fair he is alot younger.
September 16th, 2010 on 8:01 am
if you are insulin sensitive/resistant you will suffer both mentally and physically from too many carbs. and too many carbs(per meal) might not be many. i know from personal experience. i eat high fat low carb because that is what works for me. everyone has to figure it out for themselves. it’s not one size fits all.
i’ll take heart disease and a shorter life span for quality of life today.(if high fat is a problem)
September 16th, 2010 on 8:31 am
I’ve said this before, and I’ll say this again: for as supposedly healthy Dean eats, he doesn’t look very healthy. Holy cow, his hair. I want to put conditioner in it.
September 16th, 2010 on 9:11 am
lol @ barbara
September 16th, 2010 on 9:47 am
AHA Dr. statement about Mcdonalds, clearly shows that AHA get funding for those big componies , in other words their lips are tightly glued to McDonald rear side.
September 16th, 2010 on 10:40 am
Isn’t it funny how Gary Taubes, who supposedly eats the most “unhealthy” out of the three panelists, is the leanest? And Ornish, who is all about his egg white omelets (because God forbid we eat any of the nutrient-rich yolks) looks like a sack of flab?
September 16th, 2010 on 11:30 am
I love love love Gary Taubes.
I almost feel bad for Barbara. She obviously completely goes along with “conventional wisdom” and really doesn’t have anything to offer here. I found myself saying “aww” whenever she would.
Ornish is a tool and frankly I think he looks terrible. His agenda is being right and his argument is weak at best.
September 16th, 2010 on 11:54 am
@Awaitingcertainty OH wow. A youtube comment with citations. That’s a first for me.
September 16th, 2010 on 12:13 pm
@Brookesy12007 asks why the Atkins people have done no studies. The latest Atkins book publishes them. But to the point, please note, from Taubes’ book, p. 52: “To be a dissenter was to be unfunded because the peer-review system rewards conformity and excludes criticism.” George Mann, N.E. Journal of Medicine, 1977
September 16th, 2010 on 1:07 pm
Watch Taubes at 3:20 onwards – THIS is what he tells about in his book “Good Calories, Bad Calories” which came out in 2007 (reissued in the Anchor Edition in 2008 with an Afterword). It is an INCREDIBLE book. He spent 5 years “researching the research.” I’m on lo-carb, next to NO sugar for life! You get incredible energy burning fat. You can DRINK heavy cream: zero carbs, zero sugar. I’m not only losing weight on Atkins, but feeling incredible ENERGY which they call Atkins euphoria.
September 16th, 2010 on 2:02 pm
I wish I had facial recognition software so I could just watch the Taubes parts of this discussion.
September 16th, 2010 on 2:23 pm
@jsunrise I wonder if Barb has heart disease now
September 16th, 2010 on 3:03 pm
@DeanOrnish you’re an idiot
September 16th, 2010 on 3:13 pm
@ziyouduan of course not, you know you cannot trust the AHA when you see their fraudulent approvals sprinkled over highly processed junk foods in the supermarket.
September 16th, 2010 on 3:24 pm
@ziyouduan Your first point is excellent and very true. Most ppl deify doctors and fail to realize an important truth – medical practitioners are NOT scientists. They are, like many other professionals, ppl that have learned a set of skills and apply them.
Why ppl take nutrition and exercise advice from regular doctors is beyond me. Especially today, where the level of specialization is even higher.
September 16th, 2010 on 4:07 pm
Taubes has a degree in physics and an MS in aerospace engineering. I admire his humility and calm here.
September 16th, 2010 on 4:51 pm
@jsunrise She is government. If the policy is about being in the middle, you are basically not going out on the limb and exposing your ass. It’s CYA at its finest.
September 16th, 2010 on 5:12 pm
@ziyouduan With some exceptions, medical doctors are experts in putting their finger up an ass and feeling about for bumps, etc., but piss poor scientists.
Note: I said with exceptions.
September 16th, 2010 on 5:46 pm
Why have the Atkins people done no studies? You think they would be running out to prove their point if they are so sure they have the cure!! Yet Gary seems happy to just argue that as we have no data. He should get some and then come back.
September 16th, 2010 on 5:46 pm
Taubes clearly won this argument… he made Hornish look like a fool with that bogus study that he kept talking about, or actually I should say Hornish embarassed himself by continually bringing it up, it clearly wasn’t done well, i think he even admitted that at one point. Victory: Taubes. I won’t even mention the AHA woman lol
By the way, at no point in human history have people eaten low saturated fat diets, until recently, and we are probably the fattest, most unhealthy society ever
September 16th, 2010 on 6:14 pm
The AHA representative was so narrow-minded. Also, the breakfast she described was pretty unhealthy besides the blueberries. Cereal extruded at high heats and temperatures- with nutrient-depleted, pasteurized orange juice.